Philosopher Philip Goff on Galileo Excluding Consciousness From Science

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    PowerfulJREPowerfulJRE

    Taken from JRE w/Philip Goff:
    open.spotify.com/episode/3MVG...

rikidoni24
rikidoni24

Fun fact: in Italy if you go to a "Liceo" which is a type of High School you study Philosophy for 3 years and Galileo is one of the philosophers that you will study.

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Lynamup
Lynamup

Perception of the conciousness. The curry may not be spicy to a bird hypothetically.

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Thomas Zizzo
Thomas Zizzo

this guy really likes galileo

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grantp33
grantp33

Galileo was simplifying science for era he was around this was more important, leading to his discoveries, however, he wouldn't be able to report any of this info back, without a conscious being to compute the data. If we truly believe in science, then we must understand that science is based on consciousness. And then the question comes, how can we know if we have conscious or not? that is the point. a scientist has to believe in science, and therefore to know that science is a system that is based on consciousness. on a side note: how about we take consciousness out of music, what are we left with?

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jantestowy123
jantestowy123

This was the best comedy ever :)

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The lost Yorkshire man
The lost Yorkshire man

Guys life’s work… Joe rogan schools him and has him applying for a 9-5 at Starbucks because everything he believes in just got unravelled by Joe. 💪😂 love how smart Joe is in pretty much every field. He gets the most out of his guests, in a good way. 👌

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FRANK BOOTH
FRANK BOOTH

Joe: DMT

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Alain Franken
Alain Franken

If you had Rupert Spira on the show you will get real answers to your questions, Joe. He can explain everything about Conciousness.

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Alan Garcia Cardenas
Alan Garcia Cardenas

Yeah. This guy did a very bad job at explaining the Hard Problem of Consciousness. Sam Harris' double essay "The Mystery of Consciousness" answers all the questions that Joe had. I highly recommend it. And for people saying that the materialist viewpoint is good enough and no alternative is needed, y'all are wrong. Materialism is necessarily eliminativist. There is no way for materialism to account for the existence of qualia. (Read "What RoboMary Knows", Dennett's disastrous attempt to make sense of materialism). Panpsychism can be described as "dualistic" in some sense, since it rests on Dialectical Monism as metaphysical bedrock. But it is not dualistic in the sense of considering qualitative states as detached or detachable from quantitative states. Under panpsychism, the mind can't exist without a physical "network" with the capacity to aggregate all the information processing and higher functions that we associate with "having a mind" like the acts of thinking and feeling complex emotions.

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Dats Awesome
Dats Awesome

love the respect u have for each other ... we can get so much further in life when we respect one another.

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Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Isn't this what art is for? Science is a method used to better understand quantifiable phenomena. There is no need to find a unified approach to all truth when we have independent, and specialized approaches that do their jobs well. Please leave science alone. We have used it to cure disease, microwave our food and fly to the moon. Its doing fine.

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Highconic Da Gang
Highconic Da Gang

Consciousness is the true image of God we are all made in. Praise the Lord

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Tony Olson
Tony Olson

Yea, this dude lives in an imaginary world. Glad Joe called him out. These dudes are too “smart” for their own good.

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Alan Garcia Cardenas
Alan Garcia Cardenas

He doesn't. He's just bad at articulating the problem. Google Sam Harris' double essay "The Mystery of Consciousness", it answers all the questions that Joe had.

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Oscar Manzo
Oscar Manzo

Id like to see Joe Dispenza on the Joe Rogan Podcast

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Go Ham
Go Ham

American hospitals exclude herbal medicine. PILLS PILLS PILLS

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the think tank
 the think tank

Remember that codes were a major symbolism in his work

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T G
T G

Would love to see Joe moderate a panel on this topic with Philip Goff, Deepak Chopra, Joe Dispenza, Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Dave of "Professor Dave Explains," and Steven Bancarz. 🙏

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Achilles_Wing
Achilles_Wing

This guy was removed from consciousness

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Kud mund
Kud mund

Every now and then I think 💭 ‘hey Joe’s a pretty clever guy now days.” And then he searches out an academic who believes rocks have consciousness and I remember “oh yeah, he’s still pretty dumb🤷‍♂️”

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Alan Garcia Cardenas
Alan Garcia Cardenas

Panpsychism is not as outlandish as this guy made it seem. Even Sam Harris and his wife Annaka strongly entertain that possibility.

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Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith

Joe really had a wall up on a certain aspect this gentlemen was trying to drive home later through this podcast and as someone who understood his point it's disappointing joe wasn't as receptive to breaking through his initial perspective easier to dive deeper into and really challenge him to open up his thoughts. He instead went in circles a bit trying to wrap his head around the idea and be convinced instead of flowing, though I do appreciate that in the sense that it highlights the genuine nature in which he would ask his questions, if he doesn't understand or agree he isn't going to say he does, and in the end that's more important.

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LookBookLink
LookBookLink

A question that clarifies this philosophical question is “Is the brain a transmitter/creator of consciousness , or the receiver of it? Or can both be true at the same time? “ Materialists say the physical creates consciousness, Panpsychis says Consciousness creates a physical brain, and dualists say consciousness and the brain are independent of each other.

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LookBookLink
LookBookLink

@Alan Garcia Cardenas thanks. we may be parsing words but that’s what I meant by the brain being the receiver. The brain evolves along the lines of materialism but “receives” consciousness (rather than transmits it) from something “transmitted” from outside the brain itself. Material things like a brain then are the quantitative and the experience derived through it is the qualitative. My question for all groups would be to kindly explain why humans have a highly evolved organ (the brain) that only uses 10% of its capacity on average? That runs counter to almost every evolutionary theory going. I’m not suggesting any religious or spiritual explanation but there is no known material answer for the occurrence. Traditionally what is not used, goes away or at least gets smaller over time. I’m still leaning toward a Simulation Theory that we are living in a Simulation and that somehow our unused brain mass is connected to it somehow.

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Alan Garcia Cardenas
Alan Garcia Cardenas

Not really. He didn't describe panpsychism properly. What he described is Idealism. In panpsychism, the brain isn't created by consciousness. In panpsychism, everything material behaves as materialism predicts, but the irreducibly qualitative aspect of experience (qualia) is always there in some raw way. In other words. The brain evolved just like every other biological thing and the processes that make possible to perceive stuff are physically evolved, but the _sense of feeling_ itself is not a product of the brain.

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Common Empowerment
Common Empowerment

This isn't a fully-formed idea yet so bear with me, but I believe consciousness is something very difficult to explain because it's not objective. It can't be measured, rather it has to be sensed. For example, the spicy curry does rely on receptors to detect compounds in foods which then tell the brain that it's 'spicy', and then we check that with the reactions of others to confirm that we can share the label 'spicy' with our tribe. Consciousness lies in the ability to recognise self in that experience. Who is the person being affected by those receptors, and who is observing them having that experience?

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Alan Garcia Cardenas
Alan Garcia Cardenas

I think you're just describing the self. It is paramount to separate "consciousness" and "the contents of consciousness". The problem is that most people can't do that unless they have experience with meditation. But a good analogy is imagining that consciousness is like the sky, and the contents of consciousness are like clouds. The self is merely one among many clouds.

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AudiS4orce1
AudiS4orce1

Joe Rogan with ZERO education in Philosophy just demolished this guy's theory. He literally couldn't explain his theory that consciousness comes before physics!

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James Welckle
James Welckle

Energy = math x consciousness squared

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konstantinos manolis
konstantinos manolis

Before Galileo a lot of mathematicians discovered the kosmos obeys mathematical rules

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Steven Simmons
Steven Simmons

I think the knowing difference is this argument leads to "nothing is true" which is...a thing. Math is fact, "consciousness" is the equivalent of saying "my truth". One is physical, fact, observable and the other is non-defining.

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Cordatus Scire
Cordatus Scire

...What? What is this guy talking about? Someone sound the WOO-WOO alarm. Soul? Brain? These are words without meaning from this "conversation". Joe dismantles this guy's entire... thought process? Rubbish. This fellow is to science as Steven Seagal is to martial arts.

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Marco Bonechi
Marco Bonechi

I pity the philosopher that has to speak English, an unfit language for anything but trade.

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Saint Maarten
Saint Maarten

Science has caught up so much that this person comes across as a dumb dumb

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Quesadylan
Quesadylan

Alternative title for this video: "How to NOT argue your point effectively"

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Pil3driverWaltz
Pil3driverWaltz

Drink everytime he says Galileo 🤪

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ArtMan Studios
ArtMan Studios

Math can't be the only thing to solve everything! I mean how do you know if aliens from another planet or dimension or universe even uses math to advance? What if is something totally different than what we would never think of? Math is just for us here but may not apply to the rest of the cosmos. So it can't be a universal language!

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Cody Fulk
Cody Fulk

There’s two mechanisms operating simultaneously, interwoven with each other. There’s 1,2,4,5,7,8 and 3,6,9. The later comprises a domain not yet explored. The material is a manifestation of consciousness but consciousness is numerical. Code is the language of God. This is what occult sects have been studying with Kabbalah, numerology and sacred geometry since the beginning of recorded history.

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JRS
JRS

I just listened to the whole 2hr pod cast and i am now Dumber! WHATS wrong with Universities? His Philosophical Theories that go off into Lala land.

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Manuel E. Itriago M.
Manuel E. Itriago M.

Everyone, without exception, burns out.

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Djayk
Djayk

Though they share an origin, science ≠ philosophy. The maths and sciences are extremely distinct from the philosophy of consciousness. What an air head...

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David Flores
David Flores

What JR doesn’t seem to understand is that our senses are making up the tastes odors and colors we experience. They are not properties of an objective reality. They are actually properties of our senses that our senses are fabricating. What is objective reality? Most physicists would refer to something being objectively real if it would continue to exist even if there were to no creatures to perceive it. Objective reality’s is anything that exists as it is independent of conscious awareness of it. Colors, odors, tastes and so on are not real in that sense of objective reality. They are real in a different sense. They are real experiences. Your headache is a real experience even though it could not exist without you perceiving it. So it exists in a different way than objective reality that physicists talk about. However, it’s not just tastes, colors and odors that are the fabrications of our senses and are not objectively real. Space time itself and everything within space time. Objects, electrons, quarks, the sun, the moon, their shapes, their mass, their velocities, all of these physical properties are also constructions.

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Brian C
Brian C

If we go instinct in the next ten years and there is no other life in the universe, did we ever exist?

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obiwan heshobi
obiwan heshobi

I think your guests may be a b******* artist

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Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

At 5:02 he basically explains that if you eat curry, it’s spicy… and he said it in a way as if he blew Joes mind… bro what planet are you on?? I’m not even finishing this horse shit.

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Thom C
Thom C

Science: Galileo was wrong a lot. Galileo stan: no… he was brilliant and check out this amazing mental gymnastics routine in his defence.

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Mike Staub
Mike Staub

We will never know which side is correct until we can fully understand how specifically 5MeoDMT affects human consciousness. Experientially it seems like the panpsychism is 'correct', but if we can reliably induce that exact same state in individuals at will with a BMI in the future it will be strong evidence for the materialists.

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Spencer Hawkins
Spencer Hawkins

Philip Goff's point is that from only a third person point of view, there is no way to know or feel what it's like from the first person point of view (i.e. from the "inside"). Science works from the third person or objective point of view. Imagine looking down on a brain and seeing only the moving parts "from the outside". There are only brain chemicals and cells and proteins -- there is no experience of "spicy". There is no _pain._ The only way we know to correlate the pain of "spicy" with brain scans and food is because we've had similar first person experiences. Without those experiences to inform the quantitative explanation, science would have nothing to say about the first person point of view. Thus, Goff argues, because science is done from only a third person point of view, it cannot fully explain conscious experiences. Goff is a *panpsychist,* meaning, he thinks that everything physical has both extrinsic properties (i.e. mass and extension) and intrinsic properties (i.e. experiences). Panpsychism doesn't say that rocks literally have sensations or feel things, just that everything physical exists on a continuum of having some sort of inner experiences. He thinks that consciousness doesn't just 'appear' when complex brains evolve. This reversal of explanation means that what we know about physical brains is ultimately explained in terms of the inner experience -- we understand the physical world because we first and foremost have the intrinsic properties of conscious experience. So, Goff is a "materialist" (not a dualist) but doesn't try to explain consciousness by reducing it to an emergent property of brain activity. He says instead it's a fundamental feature of the cosmos. Now, the challenge for him is to explain how the small building blocks of atoms and molecules can combine to create a single, unified single conscious experience.

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@MericanMadeSoldier
@MericanMadeSoldier

I understand what Goff is proposing. Hard to explain spirituality and consciousness to an atheist.

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Rafael G
Rafael G

Philip Goff explained his ideas surrounding non-duality so badly. Joe needs to get Rupert Spira on the podcast

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Nick Chilson
Nick Chilson

these are some pretty gay ideas

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Timmy B
Timmy B

Good that Joe clapped back on Phil's initial crap statement. The guy was talking out his ass.

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Timmy B
Timmy B

Good that Joe clapped back on his initial crap statement. The guy was talking out his ass.

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Kris Duhaime
Kris Duhaime

That moment when you realize Joe can't wax philosophy.. or at least this one..

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Steven Ellerbee
Steven Ellerbee

I don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. With his definition, he's trying to take something that by his own admission can't be measured(consciousness), and then trying to make claims that it explains something. How can you explain something with merit or claim that it's the reason why, if you can't definitely define/"measure" it. It's impossible. I don't get it.

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Urban Aurora
Urban Aurora

Joe!!!! read Oliver Saks.....

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Steven Ellerbee
Steven Ellerbee

This man is terrible at explaining what he's trying to say. He just keeps repeating himself and Joe keeps trying to get him to elaborate. But he can't, so he repeats himself again with slightly different wording. Pretty annoying to be honest.

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ExhumedXxXx
ExhumedXxXx

I can solve this equation: God

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AJM
AJM

He isn't getting that you can't explain colours to someone that can't see colours through mathematics.

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

Controlling him… when he was on… one of his… various homicidal rampages….

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

As.. The Immortal.. had said.. someone must be… controlling omni-man… Well.. yes.. we are all slaves to the machine… but it is also… a slave to us.. can be changed…

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

But u are also omniman or the other characters… controlled by the machine.. I wrote the mark bit as a hasty reorganization of another idea.. it’s really not that complete an analogy…. Only… omniman… ur delusion… really is close to invincible compared to the challenges he might face on earth… U are quite frail in reality… get it?

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

The machine.. has turned u.. into.. delusional psychopaths.. totally incompetent…

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

Mark from Invincible.. either Marky mark from his movie… or the Mark in Invincible the comic and tv series.. Is analogous.. to u… me… any1… whoever u want it to be analogous 2 Omniman the omnimessiah… is our father and mother… the machine…

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mr1972
mr1972

if he needs to be so verbose he probably hasn’t resolved his thoughts fully

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

To be the best… I had to learn to have the best routine… to cure many weaknesses… the losing gods had always…. given me… many weaknesses The winner gods… had simply taught me the best….. made me the best… no one could do what I do in my body…

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

The right hand tear wasn’t a callous thing… like a water blister colored red after i did a bunch of military presses off of cleans…. Some push press overheads.. all of a sudden…. not usually the type of training i do… in terms of i overhead but I don’t really main exercise it… In the gym for hours… i saw this huge blister… was apathetic… we are slaves… luckily a water rip like that heals a lot faster than a callous tear.. in fact… I wasn’t really making a decision to rip it… but it might not that less sub optimal.. than draining it somehow… My point is.. we live… with weakness.. it feels like… I have weaknesses… holding me back….

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

Joe.. Phillip… I’m in purgatory… Working on my squat.. building the fundaments.. a long way from really doing anything… Deadlifting I did like 15 reps at 326 yesterday.. which is nothing… I can probably do 13 drops in a set at 416.. which is still nothing… but it’s progress over where i was on march 9th…. My problem… is.. even after I went deadlift brutal… ramping up to heavier weights and a lot of over under grip…. I have these hands… i file down callouses… moisturize… but even then… I can always see tears coming… because if this…. I dial my brutality to like a third of what it could theoretically be… do 12 reps where i should be brutally doing 36 reps…. Don’t get me wrong I’m the best… I make the most progress.. get the most volume… i lift everyday… but I’ve been in like a 2 week lull after sone hand tears.. my first since March 9th my… Achilles Heel… is Actually Hands… my actual hands…

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Shawn Phillips
Shawn Phillips

Well.. we aren’t conscious at the highest level… which is to say u aren’t… Not that it matters… u probably think you are.. we are all slaves to the machine…

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dannooooooo
dannooooooo

he could have explained it better by saying consciousness is a lens the creates the world around us, and its our lens that makes us see the results we get. like joe got half way to understanding with the rock concert analogy. if you take acid and go to a rock concert, yes, it will be different experience than without, but is it going to be positive, or negative, or one of the many other possible outcomes? and it seems phil is arguing that the thing that can dictate the outcome is consciousness

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George Coull
George Coull

Joe Rogan is a national treasure

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elcapitaan1
elcapitaan1

joe is so slow man,,he aint woke

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countedcrowzero
countedcrowzero

Joe's a bit too dense for this one. Sorry, Bucko, you met your limits.

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Ricky V
Ricky V

godamnit i wanted joe to ask deeper about this! he just basically was understanding the concept for 15 minutes and than NOTHING ;/

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Ricky V
Ricky V

very good point, honestly. Think about it, all the diferent limitations we have because of the inability to tap into those views without the necessary tools for our spirit, consciousness to be open to them. Like ears for noise and receptor color cones for color. Our souls are placed in this vacum with limitations and tools can help unleash the real experience we might be being limited too

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Jeff Ewart
Jeff Ewart

This conversation has altered my consciousness to snoozy

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Mia
Mia

Watch this stoned. Trippy AF.

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AustrianCitizen
AustrianCitizen

If you can't explain it you don't understand it well enough

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m4nvr
m4nvr

Don't be too hard on Galileo. He was a poor boy, from a poor family.

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Cara Funke
Cara Funke

Dr. Mary Bowden

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Chase Hunter
Chase Hunter

Joe is spot on with this one

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ghostape
ghostape

Bernardo Kastrup explains this theory very clearly (although slightly different to Panpsychism), it's a kinda bonkers one to get your head round but also wonderful too. Having all these different ideas bouncing about is exciting. Go find your own truth ;-)

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Holyk Flooring
Holyk Flooring

Joe forgot to take his nootropics before this one

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Nelson Castro
Nelson Castro

I feel like this guy has a misguided view on science

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Phuqem
Phuqem

Tell me Joe why a lot of young kids don't like spicy stuff and think it's too hot and yet in their later years people typically look for spicier and more flavorful food same person just at different ages interprets what their experiencing completely differently

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The Electric Campfire
The Electric Campfire

Everyone getting deep in the comments and I'm just here like 'is this scouse or brummie?'

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Jeffrey McKinery
Jeffrey McKinery

Does a virus prolificating add or detract the materialism pov?

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borjaveiga
borjaveiga

Phillip, just turned to be a poor lame thinker, even color has a mathematic and scientific explanation that has to do with the light waves

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Genesis Stewart
Genesis Stewart

Gym the best way I can describe it whatever is spicy to you might not be spicy to me what is spicy to me is it directly proportional to my experience and consciousness

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pica
pica

Joe, you follow Bernardo Kastrup? Get him on the show so he can properly explain in terms you and everyone can understand

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Murphy J.
Murphy J.

TL:DW = Everything that is, is information. All information is self aware to varing degress, values and definitions. Self aware information is Consciousness. Consciousness is protgenisistic of Matter. Consciousness is an elemental force and subject to the laws of physics and other elemental forces. Physics is the search for understanding The Devine Truth of the information of the relationship between one thing and another thing and how this relationship is in relationship with other things and all things. The Devine Truth does not require the Devine. It is the Devine and you are it..... as we are you... .. . and all that is and was. and will be. Not sure what Philosopher Philip Goff was on about though it was Too Long and I Didnt Watch. ref: Bill Hicks, George Carlin, Matrix Trilogy and lotsa dope and a week on massive doses of GoldTop Mushrooms, sitting in a clearing in a rainforest on a Mountain in Australia with friends I love very much.. and music that matters

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James
James

How to know that your experience of red is the same as my experience of red?

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Richard Lynne Weisgerber
Richard Lynne Weisgerber

Even worse... Consciousness infuses & imbues everything, yet bazillions continues to be invested toward never-ending research on how & where in the brain consciousness is created, yet Awareness is all any physical form can claim, sentient and/or not, at all levels of abstraction.

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Trey Guitteau
Trey Guitteau

Joe Rogan taking Master Classes

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Nicholas Kramas
Nicholas Kramas

This episode was rough for me because it felt like an assistant professor used to insecure undergrads smelling his farts and eating up every word he says trying to have the same conversation at a dinner party with 50-year-olds who know and have experienced life outside of his classroom, and he continually doesn't understand the fact that they have knowledge and experience that precedes his adjunct wisdom. It's like the level of self-aggrandizement of these academic intellectual wizards is impenetrable to the spear of how people actually think and feel, about anything, including them.

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